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As Hyperbola is created as pure lightweight system the orientation of systemd is not following the [[: | As Hyperbola is created as pure lightweight system the orientation of systemd is not following the [[: | ||
- | With the essential design-decision being just more than only init and management systemd has also included more attack surfaces and further security-issues. To be mentioned there are dereferencing null pointers ([[https:// | + | With the essential design-decision being just more than only init and management systemd has also included more attack surfaces and further security-issues. To be mentioned there are dereferencing null pointers ([[https:// |
===== Back and forth: The role of init-systems ===== | ===== Back and forth: The role of init-systems ===== | ||
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There are different approaches followed by the different systems and distributions. Nevertheless the key-role of an init-system is just to start the basic system and initialize the services. Afterwards it is about a supervisor to look behind the services running and removing those crashed ([[https:// | There are different approaches followed by the different systems and distributions. Nevertheless the key-role of an init-system is just to start the basic system and initialize the services. Afterwards it is about a supervisor to look behind the services running and removing those crashed ([[https:// | ||
- | Again the size of the project | + | Again the size and the understanding of systemd in a whole is here the major point for issues: Too many components integrated, too many design-flaws within and too less transparency. Hyperbola has chosen for a reason to follow strict the [[en: |
+ | ===== Points for criticism in detail ===== | ||
- | ====== Systemd denial ====== | + | We will never address criticism making usage of personal attacks as we conclude neither being unfair nor using false argumentation methods. Besides there are many points to be found making it further a problem to use systemd for any system with lightweight focus. |
- | Obarun compromises neither principles nor finctionality! | + | === Breaking promises === |
- | I feel like I have found a real hidden gem with Obarun. | + | “After udev is merged into the systemd tree you can still build it for usage outside of systemd systems, and we will support these builds officially. In fact, we will be supporting this for a long time” |
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- | I' | + | ”…this will effectively also mean that we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore starting at that point. |
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- | I went to through great efforts trying | + | “kdbus support is no longer compile-time optional … We encourage all downstream distributions |
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- | So down the rabbit hole, finding out most supposedly systemd free distros use great quantities of SystemD code. Very disappointing, | + | === Stability failed === |
- | I find a lot of Distros that go the extra mile, but seems very difficult may be accused of being "memes" such as Kiss linux and whatnot. They look quite fun, but i need something less alien. | + | " |
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- | I stumble upon Obarun. The Arch base is comforting since I know Arch well, and s6 is intriguing. No SystemD nonsense whatsoever! I try it instantly! Some growing pains, s6 is pretty tricky compared to others. | + | < |
+ | === Scope of the project === | ||
- | 22nd June 2018: Renaming Network Interfaces.< | + | [[http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.hotplug.devel/17392|systemd includes udev]] |
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- | == Breaking promises and immaturity == | + | |
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- | === Stability Promises === | + | |
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- | : "Entry metadata that is not actually a field is serialized like it was a field, but beginning with two underscores. " | + | |
- | This is not true for version 44 of systemd for example. | + | |
- | == Scope creep == | + | |
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- | * An init system that requires even on a server a library for rendering QR codes: Post in [https:// | + | |
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- | == Absurd Bugs and Responses == | + | |
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- | Debunking the myth of unit files being significantly shorter than scripts used by all other init systems: [https:// | + | |
- | == Scope Creep Leads to Vulnerabilities == | + | |
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- | * To run systemd properly in container a FUSE [https:// | + | |
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- | == Ignorance of fundamental operating system concepts == | + | |
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- | maybe use already installed sync plugin | + | [[https:// |
- | As systemd doesn' | + | [[http:// |
- | To ease the transition, | + | [[https:// |
- | Further details: | + | [[https:// |
- | Unchecked null pointer dereferencing in PID 1 not considered a serious issue (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi? | + | [[https://serverfault.com/questions/755818/systemd-using-4gb-ram-after-18-days-of-uptime|systemd |
- | Mount efivarfs read-only (https://github.com/systemd/systemd/ | + | |
- | | + | === Conceptional problems === |
- | journald eats up CPU (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi? | + | |
- | | + | [[http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/0145243|systemd Prevents the Skipping of fsck while Booting]]] |
- | tmpfiles: R! /dir/.* destroys root (https:// | + | |
- | systemd again (or how to obliterate your system) (https:// | + | [[http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1554227|Default |
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- | systemd Using 4GB RAM After 18 Days of Uptime (https:// | + | [[https:// |
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- | systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning (https://seclists.org/oss-sec/ | + | [[https:// |
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+ | ===== Conclusion for the Hyperbola-project ===== | ||
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+ | With the retrospective of all the points listed here Hyperbola has the stance not to accept | ||
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+ | So systemd has to persist the comparison towards other possible init-systems and in that way is for sure too big, too complex and full with flaws we don't want to accept as we would therefore need to be worried even on top of continuous upgrades for just one essential part. And even though every single point can be declared as solved or in some way older, we just don't want to use systemd as single-point for a failure as it just this simple. |