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As Hyperbola is created as pure lightweight system the orientation of systemd is not following the [[: | As Hyperbola is created as pure lightweight system the orientation of systemd is not following the [[: | ||
- | With the essential design-decision being just more than only init and management systemd has also included more attack surfaces and further security-issues. To be mentioned there are dereferencing null pointers ([[https:// | + | With the essential design-decision being just more than only init and management systemd has also included more attack surfaces and further security-issues. To be mentioned there are dereferencing null pointers ([[https:// |
===== Back and forth: The role of init-systems ===== | ===== Back and forth: The role of init-systems ===== | ||
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We will never address criticism making usage of personal attacks as we conclude neither being unfair nor using false argumentation methods. Besides there are many points to be found making it further a problem to use systemd for any system with lightweight focus. | We will never address criticism making usage of personal attacks as we conclude neither being unfair nor using false argumentation methods. Besides there are many points to be found making it further a problem to use systemd for any system with lightweight focus. | ||
- | === Breaking promises | + | === Breaking promises === |
“After udev is merged into the systemd tree you can still build it for usage outside of systemd systems, and we will support these builds officially. In fact, we will be supporting this for a long time” | “After udev is merged into the systemd tree you can still build it for usage outside of systemd systems, and we will support these builds officially. In fact, we will be supporting this for a long time” | ||
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- | === Conceptional problems | + | === Scope of the project |
- | === Scope Creep Leads to Vulnerabilities === | + | [[http:// |
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- | ====== Systemd denial ====== | + | [[http:// |
- | Obarun compromises neither principles nor finctionality! | + | [[http:// |
- | I feel like I have found a real hidden gem with Obarun. | + | [[http:// |
- | I'm not a huge fan of SystemD, not because it's slow or anything, mostly ideological reasons. Plus I find Distributions that choose no to use it make other choices I like, such as being more minimalistic. | + | [[https:// |
- | I went to through great efforts trying to remove SystemD completely from Gentoo (as you may be aware, it uses elogind and quite a bit of SystemD code even when using OpenEC as init). I got it done, sure, but at the cost ofba great deal of functionality. No elogind, no steam or firefox for you! | + | [[https:// |
- | So down the rabbit hole, finding out most supposedly systemd free distros use great quantities of SystemD code. Very disappointing, | + | [[http:// |
- | I find a lot of Distros that go the extra mile, but seems very difficult may be accused of being " | + | === Problematic bugs and responses === |
- | I stumble upon Obarun. The Arch base is comforting since I know Arch well, and s6 is intriguing. No SystemD nonsense whatsoever! I try it instantly! Some growing pains, s6 is pretty tricky compared to others. | + | [[https:// |
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- | 22nd June 2018: Renaming Network Interfaces.< | + | [[http://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=14/12/21/1343258|PID 1 segfaulting on upgrade; journalctl usability issue]] |
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- | https://pwnies.com/ | + | [[https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00010.html|Fail boot for the computer as systemd |
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- | == Breaking promises and immaturity == | + | |
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- | === Stability Promises === | + | |
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- | : "Entry metadata that is not actually a field is serialized like it was a field, but beginning with two underscores. " | + | |
- | This is not true for version 44 of systemd for example. | + | |
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- | * An init system that requires even on a server a library for rendering QR codes: Post in [https:// | + | |
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- | Debunking the myth of unit files being significantly shorter than scripts used by all other init systems: [https:// | + | |
- | == Scope Creep Leads to Vulnerabilities == | + | |
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- | * To run systemd properly in container a FUSE [https:// | + | |
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- | maybe use already installed sync plugin to pull resources from devuan wiki | + | [[https:// |
- | As systemd doesn' | + | [[https:// |
- | To ease the transition, systemd support will remain in the stable repositories | + | ===== Conclusion |
- | Further details: | + | With the retrospective of all the points listed here Hyperbola has the stance not to accept systemd. It is just the point that there are better alternatives fitting within the approach of a lightweight and stable context for a modern operating-system based on the essentials of the Unix philosophy. It is not a denial as we for sure just see no usecase for a so complex and also bloated piece of software to be used. Our ideal in this: **We search for alternative ways as it is an an achievement of civilization that not all need to be the same but treated nevertheless with fairness and therefore in conclusion the same way!** |
- | Unchecked null pointer dereferencing in PID 1 not considered a serious issue (https:// | + | So systemd |
- | Mount efivarfs read-only (https:// | + | |
- | Unable | + | |
- | journald eats up CPU (https:// | + | |
- | Corrupted binary logs (https:// | + | |
- | tmpfiles: R! /dir/.* destroys root (https:// | + | |
- | systemd again (or how to obliterate your system) (https:// | + | |
- | systemd can' | + | |
- | systemd Using 4GB RAM After 18 Days of Uptime (https:// | + | |
- | Please do not default | + | |
- | journal ip anonymization (https:// | + | |
- | systemd kill background processes after user logs out (https:// | + | |
- | systemd-resolved DNS cache poisoning (https:// | + |